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Joel Carini's avatar

“Conscious matter” may be impossible, but conscious organism doesn’t seem to be. I’m inclined to think that Descartes banishing formal and final causality from nature has something to do with this. When even animals are seen as machines, it’s not only consciousness, but life itself that seems like a logical impossibility.

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Martin Greenwald, M.D.'s avatar

This looks like begging the question to me. You're claiming consciousness is not like other scientific problems by claiming it is logically impossible for consciousness to be like other scientific problems.

There is another possibility you didn't mention here, which is that you're using the word "consciousness" too imprecisely. That is what makes it seem so impossible that it could be reduced to physics. When we reify consciousness into a "thing", we're in trouble, and start getting things like the hard problem of consciousness and the zombie argument, etc. I'd argue that you're on the right track when you understand that philosophical zombies aren't just impossible but are also not conceivable (despite what some people think).

This is a similar case to the concept of life — elan vital was popular before we discovered DNA and the mechanisms of biology. Panpsychism is just elan vital but for consciousness.

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