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Bentham's Bulldog's avatar

I feel like you’re not understanding the argument that’s being made. It’s not that counterintuitive case judgments don’t serve as counter examples. It’s that you shouldn’t trust real world case judgments if they were formed without considering pertinent information (say, that nearly all suffering on earth is had by wild animals). Also, for the record, I don’t support wiping out life on earth and I don’t think the others do either, largely for trans humanist reasons.

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Silas Abrahamsen's avatar

I basically agree with what BB said: We *should* start with particular examples; but we should start with particular *hypothetical* cases rather than actual cases.

This I think what you added in the square brackets when you quoted my post is actually very important. It shouldn't say "particular actions" but "actual actions." The problem is that the world is "descriptively opaque," if you will--we don't have direct access to all the descriptive truths of the world. But our moral judgements require that descriptive facts are assumed to get off the ground, hence why we should start from hypotheticals, not actual cases.

As for the theism point, that's interesting, but I don't think it works. Surely you think there has been moral progress, but someone before slavery was abolished could have said the same thing as you do. Maybe it's just part of God's plan that we morally grow as a species. Whatever you say about previous moral development given theism will likeky apply here too.

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