Candace Owens’ myopic “my mixed child would look like a Palestinian” line seems to echo through black intellectual history. Like when W.E.B. Du Bois told the Chinese to stop resisting Japan bc the real enemy was global whiteness.
I don't have a problem with Israel being a Jewish ethnostate - all the more power to them. My problem is with the influence their lobby has over US politics and culture and the foreign aid they extract from us, at the cost of our legitimate national and international interests. American taxpayers shouldn't have to fund their very existence, and American citizens shouldn't be threatened with the label of "antisemitism" for privately opposing Israel. If Israel wants to be an ethnostate, they can go it alone.
It is hard for me to think of Candace Owens as a more serious thinker than anyone, even Coates. I mean, she probably has a higher IQ than Coates -- a genuine dim bulb. But she thinks the moon landing was faked and that dinosaurs are a hoax. Not to mention being the originator of a brand new antisemitic conspiracy theory. She is not a serious thinker in any sense.
Nah. What's really striking about Israel-Palestine fandom is how 'ideology' (to use a generous term for the mountains of outright nonsense on both sides) transcends racial loyalty to the point of oblivion. A black who becomes a Pentecostal Christian or Jewish will be a passionate, likely very over the top, Israel supporter. A black who becomes Muslim or a Leftist, the opposite. Candace Owens used to be extremely pro Israel when she was a mainstream conservative and is now very anti-Israel because she is a online tradCath (whether she has been sincere in either belief system, only she - and perhaps not even she - knows). Ta Nehisi Coates doesn't look like Palestinians any more than he looks like Jews (unless it is a Palestinian with fetal alcohol syndrome). Conversely, Right Wing Israelis and Palestinians look pretty similar to each other.
Of course, race is an important factor in understanding the conflict and the global reaction to it in various ways. Dumb people tend to support the dumb side, and dumbness is correlated with brownness. But this is in the same sense that race is important in understanding almost everything.
Maybe in the US but for example most white Spaniards, left and right wing, are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel despite owing the existence of their nation-state to the expulsion of the Moors. These Muslims had lived in the Iberian peninsula (Al-Andalus they called it) for over 700 years before the Reconquista had finalized. It’s telling that almost no pro-Palestinian white Spaniards decry the ethnic cleansing that led to the birth of their nation.
Some lesser European countries, like Spain and Ireland, buy into the third worldist victim mentality. But is it really a majority? Do you have a source for that?
Since the Israel-Hamas war began the numbers are probably more lopsided.
Anecdotally every single Spanish left winger I know (alas, I know quite a few) supports the Palestinian cause mainly due to a combination of anti-Western, pro-underdog third worldist sympathies. About 90% of Spanish right wingers I know support Palestine because of a deep antipathy toward Jews, likely a combination of not knowing any Jews irl and an ultra-Catholic nationalist nostalgia from the Franco years which in turns dates back to the establishment of the Holy Office and the subsequent expulsion of the Jews from Spain.
In a study done between 1991 and 1997 Israel was one of the countries with the least favorable perceptions in Spain, only Iran and Iraq scored lower.
From that same study:
“Anticommunism and Hispano-Arab Friendship
The opinion about Israel in Spain was initially shaped by the mutual distance and mistrust, even before the creation of the Hebrew state. Even on the eve of the Israeli War of Independence and during its course, there was a clear sympathy for the Arab position in the media – under the control of Franco’s regime – which widely broadcast Arab news about “barbaric acts” committed by Jews against Arabs. A few days after the independence of Israel, journalist Gómez Aparicio, a person close to Franco, wrote in the pages of a Madrid newspaper that the “Zionist government” had broken down immigration barriers and that large contingents of Jews from Russia were arriving in Israel. Possibly, Aparicio wrote, a “communist or semi-communist state, clearly pro-Russian,” was being prepared in Palestine, “under the protection of the Zionist state of Israel,” on which, one day not far off, a definitive Soviet influence could be established in the Middle East. Franco’s Spain was, in every aspect, far removed from the emerging Jewish state. It is worth noting that the tendency to identify Jews with communists had been a distinguishing feature of much of the Spanish right since the 1930s and, with the creation of the Jewish state, it would be clearly expressed in the media of the time. The newspaper Arriba and the Catholic Ya also emphasized the image of “Hebrew-Bolshevik friendship.”
Boers are systematically attacked by rival tribes LOL. It's not clear what you mean to me as a S.African. The only peeps who have political parties with strong ethnical ties are Afrikaners ( FF+ ) & Zulus ( IFP & MK ). Trust me I can't count how many times Zulus have been accused of collaborating with Afrikaners ever since 1994.
I'd really like to know so I can expl the nuance crossover of tribal & racial overlap. Besides Zulu & Afrikaners, it's close to non existent ethnical mobilization.
Candace Owens’ myopic “my mixed child would look like a Palestinian” line seems to echo through black intellectual history. Like when W.E.B. Du Bois told the Chinese to stop resisting Japan bc the real enemy was global whiteness.
Yes, old times black militants like DuBois and Malcolm X hilariously believed that East Asians would identify with black people.
I don't have a problem with Israel being a Jewish ethnostate - all the more power to them. My problem is with the influence their lobby has over US politics and culture and the foreign aid they extract from us, at the cost of our legitimate national and international interests. American taxpayers shouldn't have to fund their very existence, and American citizens shouldn't be threatened with the label of "antisemitism" for privately opposing Israel. If Israel wants to be an ethnostate, they can go it alone.
It is hard for me to think of Candace Owens as a more serious thinker than anyone, even Coates. I mean, she probably has a higher IQ than Coates -- a genuine dim bulb. But she thinks the moon landing was faked and that dinosaurs are a hoax. Not to mention being the originator of a brand new antisemitic conspiracy theory. She is not a serious thinker in any sense.
Liberia is even worse. They don’t allow non blacks to be citizens. An actual ethnostate, not an ethnonational democracy like Israel or Japan.
Nah. What's really striking about Israel-Palestine fandom is how 'ideology' (to use a generous term for the mountains of outright nonsense on both sides) transcends racial loyalty to the point of oblivion. A black who becomes a Pentecostal Christian or Jewish will be a passionate, likely very over the top, Israel supporter. A black who becomes Muslim or a Leftist, the opposite. Candace Owens used to be extremely pro Israel when she was a mainstream conservative and is now very anti-Israel because she is a online tradCath (whether she has been sincere in either belief system, only she - and perhaps not even she - knows). Ta Nehisi Coates doesn't look like Palestinians any more than he looks like Jews (unless it is a Palestinian with fetal alcohol syndrome). Conversely, Right Wing Israelis and Palestinians look pretty similar to each other.
Of course, race is an important factor in understanding the conflict and the global reaction to it in various ways. Dumb people tend to support the dumb side, and dumbness is correlated with brownness. But this is in the same sense that race is important in understanding almost everything.
Maybe in the US but for example most white Spaniards, left and right wing, are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel despite owing the existence of their nation-state to the expulsion of the Moors. These Muslims had lived in the Iberian peninsula (Al-Andalus they called it) for over 700 years before the Reconquista had finalized. It’s telling that almost no pro-Palestinian white Spaniards decry the ethnic cleansing that led to the birth of their nation.
Some lesser European countries, like Spain and Ireland, buy into the third worldist victim mentality. But is it really a majority? Do you have a source for that?
Opinion polls show most of the population supports Palestine and a very small part supports Israel: https://blogs.elconfidencial.com/espana/takoma/2023-11-24/gobierno-espanol-mas-propalestino-occidente_3780661/?
Since the Israel-Hamas war began the numbers are probably more lopsided.
Anecdotally every single Spanish left winger I know (alas, I know quite a few) supports the Palestinian cause mainly due to a combination of anti-Western, pro-underdog third worldist sympathies. About 90% of Spanish right wingers I know support Palestine because of a deep antipathy toward Jews, likely a combination of not knowing any Jews irl and an ultra-Catholic nationalist nostalgia from the Franco years which in turns dates back to the establishment of the Holy Office and the subsequent expulsion of the Jews from Spain.
Looks like it was close until Oct 7 and now more favor Palestine.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48218-israel-palestine-fundamental-attitudes-to-the-conflict-among-western-europeans?utm_source=chatgpt.com
https://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/analisis/tanques-contra-piedras-la-imagen-de-israel-en-espana-ari/
In a study done between 1991 and 1997 Israel was one of the countries with the least favorable perceptions in Spain, only Iran and Iraq scored lower.
From that same study:
“Anticommunism and Hispano-Arab Friendship
The opinion about Israel in Spain was initially shaped by the mutual distance and mistrust, even before the creation of the Hebrew state. Even on the eve of the Israeli War of Independence and during its course, there was a clear sympathy for the Arab position in the media – under the control of Franco’s regime – which widely broadcast Arab news about “barbaric acts” committed by Jews against Arabs. A few days after the independence of Israel, journalist Gómez Aparicio, a person close to Franco, wrote in the pages of a Madrid newspaper that the “Zionist government” had broken down immigration barriers and that large contingents of Jews from Russia were arriving in Israel. Possibly, Aparicio wrote, a “communist or semi-communist state, clearly pro-Russian,” was being prepared in Palestine, “under the protection of the Zionist state of Israel,” on which, one day not far off, a definitive Soviet influence could be established in the Middle East. Franco’s Spain was, in every aspect, far removed from the emerging Jewish state. It is worth noting that the tendency to identify Jews with communists had been a distinguishing feature of much of the Spanish right since the 1930s and, with the creation of the Jewish state, it would be clearly expressed in the media of the time. The newspaper Arriba and the Catholic Ya also emphasized the image of “Hebrew-Bolshevik friendship.”
Boers are systematically attacked by rival tribes LOL. It's not clear what you mean to me as a S.African. The only peeps who have political parties with strong ethnical ties are Afrikaners ( FF+ ) & Zulus ( IFP & MK ). Trust me I can't count how many times Zulus have been accused of collaborating with Afrikaners ever since 1994.
I'd really like to know so I can expl the nuance crossover of tribal & racial overlap. Besides Zulu & Afrikaners, it's close to non existent ethnical mobilization.